Confronting Aging with Exercise and Nutrition – Becoming Elli



Today we have two incredible guests joining us to discuss the importance of exercise and nutrition in confronting aging. We have the pleasure of welcoming Chris Brown and Jill McCauslin to the show. Chris and Jill are the founders of Becoming Elli, an online community dedicated to inspiring and supporting women over 50 who want to stay fit and strong.

They also host the podcast, “Fit Strong Women Over 50,” where they explore various ideas about fitness, food, and general health. Chris and Jill truly embody the spirit of embracing life and staying active, in their 50s and beyond. Their friendship serves as a support system for running, discussing nutrition, and comparing gym workouts.

In this episode we covered both exercise and nutrition. We talked about getting started on a healthy lifestyle journey by taking baby steps. Chris and Jill explained that it can be intimidating to go to a gym, or try a new exercise program. Taking it slowly and having a support system are important to help you stay motivated.


1. Women need both cardio and strength training for optimal muscle and bone health.

2. Starting with simple exercises is perfectly fine, and progress can be made over time.

3. Finding the right dietary approach should consider personal preferences and not just popular trends.

4. Joining supportive communities, such as Becoming Ellie, can provide valuable motivation and guidance on the fitness journey.

5. Exploring different forms of exercise and finding what resonates with you is key to long-term commitment and enjoyment.

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Wendy Green [00:00:19]:

Welcome to hey, Boomer. My name is Wendy Green, and I am your host for Hay Boomer. At Hay Boomer, we are changing the conversation about retirement. Rather than seeing it as an ending, we see it as the opening of an exciting, new and vibrant chapter, a time for exploration, self expression, and fulfillment. My guests today are Chris Brown and Jill McCauslin from becoming Ellie. I met Chris and Jill at the podcast movement convention, and we hit it off immediately. I'm going to let them tell you who Ellie is as we get into the show. They also have a podcast called Fit strong Women over 50.

Wendy Green [00:01:01]:

That is us, right? Well, some of you listening are not women, but you are fit and strong, right? Or at least striving to be. I work on staying fit through exercise and eating right, but I certainly do not live a spartan life of only vegetables and no dessert or red meat. Maybe I need to get more information from Jill and Chris about what they mean when they talk about being fit and strong over 50. But before I bring them on, I want to mention our sponsor, Rhodes Scholar. They are the not for profit leader in educational travel for boomers and beyond and for grandparents and grandchildren. We are experiencing wonderful opportunities to travel, and every trip I have had with Rhodes Scholar has been amazing. So I am working on putting together a trip this summer for women with Rhodes Scholar going to Quebec. And if you're interested in joining us on this trip or even just finding out some more information about it, drop me an email at wendy at heyboomer biz.

Wendy Green [00:02:13]:

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Jill McCauslin [00:03:31]:

Hello, guys. Hi.

Wendy Green [00:03:35]:

So nice to have you on the show today.

Jill McCauslin [00:03:38]:

It's good to be here.

Wendy Green [00:03:40]:

Thanks so much. Let me do a brief introduction so that people know a little bit more about you before we get started. Joe McCauslin retired from doing technical writing and instructional design, and Chris Brown is a marketing consultant to manufacturing companies and professional services firms. They hit their 50s, lost weight, became fit, and discovered that running and lifting weights can be a lot of fun. They got fit in their fifty s, and they plan to stay fit and strong well into their sixty s and beyond. Jill and Chris decided to create an online community called Becoming Ellie, which is dedicated to becoming and staying fit by gaining strength and having fun. At the same time, they investigate different ideas about fitness, food, and general health on their podcast. Their friendship became a great way to have a buddy for running and discussing nutrition and comparing gym workouts.

Wendy Green [00:04:48]:

And one day they were discussing their future plans and discovered that they both wanted to start a blog podcast community for women like themselves. And from that conversation, Becoming Ellie was born. So, ladies, who is Ellie and how are you becoming Ellie?

Chris Brown [00:05:09]:

Well, Ellie is the Norse goddess of aging, and probably your listeners have not heard of her before. I didn't until I found out that she beat Thor in a wrestling match.

Wendy Green [00:05:22]:


Chris Brown [00:05:23]:

Yeah. So we want to be like Ellie, right, Jill?

Jill McCauslin [00:05:27]:

Right. So besides the beating Thor in a wrestling match part, so it's becoming Ellie because we are wanting to become fit and strong. We want to be like Ellie.

Wendy Green [00:05:40]:

Great. So you decided in your 50s or when your 50th birthday, that this was going to be a new goal for you to become fit and strong. What motivated you to do that?

Jill McCauslin [00:05:57]:

For me, there was probably numerous reasons, and I don't think it was actually on my birthday, but I went to a holiday party somewhere and somebody took a photograph of the group, an impromptu photo, and then posted it on the company website. And I saw myself and thought, oh, my, I don't look very good. I just did not look healthy. I looked bloated. And I was really upset, actually, that it was front and center on the website.

Wendy Green [00:06:33]:

What about you, Chris?

Chris Brown [00:06:35]:

Well, for me, when I turned 50, I went to the doctor and expected him fully to say, you need to get a colonoscopy because you hear about that all the time. But instead he looked me right in the eye and he said, you need to lose weight. And I was a little bit shocked because I thought I carried it well, as they say. I said, Well, I've been trying to lose weight for years, on and off, and how do you suggest that? And he said, well, why don't you try Weight Watchers? So it took me five years on Weight Watchers because I decided I'm going to lose this slowly because I gained it slowly. I mean, it just kind of came on a couple ounces here, a couple of ounces there over the years, and I was more focused on my kids and not focused on myself. And so it took me five years to lose 72 pounds, and I've gained some of that back, but not a whole lot when you consider that was, what, 1112 years ago now? So I found it was a lot harder to do the maintenance than the losing because there's not that many resources.

Wendy Green [00:07:45]:

Yeah. Jill pictures are awful. We hate when they show us reality. Yeah. What was your first step? What did you.

Jill McCauslin [00:08:03]:

The I did a fair number of things. I would try something, and when it quit working for me, I would move on to something else. But I think the first thing I did was I joined the YMCA that was near me, and they had a program where you would meet with a trainer. The trainer would gave me a workout to do regularly. And then I met with a dietitian who would go through what I was eating and make suggestions, and that was a great way to start. And then I think I moved, and so that ended. And at some point I was working at a place where they had Weight Watchers, so I joined then. And what I liked about Weight Watchers was the community.

Jill McCauslin [00:08:54]:

I liked going to the meetings and having people that were doing the same thing. So that was good. And then I've done other things at other gyms. I've always sort of tried to combine the physical exercise with the actual food part of losing weight and getting fit. So I've just done different things.

Wendy Green [00:09:19]:

Yeah. So were either one of you athletes when you were younger?

Jill McCauslin [00:09:23]:


Wendy Green [00:09:26]:

So the idea of joining a gym and starting to exercise, how was that?

Chris Brown [00:09:33]:

Well, I'd been in a gym on and off for many years. I mean, I wasn't an athlete, but I was in band and I played tuba, so that was lifting 17 pounds. We would do all those little dances and stuff, kind of like lifting weights when it's over your head and huge. But going to the gym I know there were years where I'd still pay for that gym membership, and I felt like I really wasn't getting much out of it. And then when I did go to the gym, I'd maybe get on the elliptical because I didn't know how to use a lot of the things, or I felt embarrassed to ask. And it's funny, when you go to the gym all the time, you feel comfortable, but when you're just starting out, there can be an intimidation factor, for sure.

Wendy Green [00:10:22]:

And I see that a lot with people that I see at the gym. So I'm wondering, how would you advise people to get started with the gym, kind of, or do they have to go to a gym to start getting fit and strong?

Chris Brown [00:10:40]:

Well, I'll jump in. Okay.

Jill McCauslin [00:10:42]:

Jill yep.

Chris Brown [00:10:43]:

I think going to a gym is very helpful in that it's part of a routine. If you stay at home and do things, some people are very disciplined that way and will actually do it. But when you have a class or you have someone that you're going to meet up with a friend, or you've signed up for an orientation or something with a personal trainer. There's a commitment there that you'll show up. Going through the door is the hardest part of going to a gym. It really is getting through that door.

Jill McCauslin [00:11:16]:

You probably do not have to go to a gym, but if you're going to join a gym and it's intimidating, there is nothing wrong with your first time going being that you walk in the door, look around, turn around and go home because you've gone to the gym.

Chris Brown [00:11:34]:

That's a win.

Jill McCauslin [00:11:36]:

And then maybe the second time you go in, you look around and you go get on a treadmill and walk on it and just watch and see what people are doing. And you can slowly build from there. I think it also helps at a gym that you can usually get a trainer to show you how to do things. You can also usually find a class that is geared to your level. So those things help. But I remember one time I just joined an aquaerobics class at my local school, at the school, and when I went I was probably actually in my forty s then and I was probably 20 years younger than everyone in the class. But it was great because I didn't know what I was doing and it was just a good way to go because I had signed up and I would go twice a week to the pool and do this class. I think it's the commitment that makes it.

Jill McCauslin [00:12:36]:

And I know personally if I say I'm going to do a YouTube video, I get maybe halfway through it and I think, well, maybe I'll go get some water now.

Wendy Green [00:12:47]:

Right. I find the same thing when I go to the gym. Once I get started and warmed up, then I'm like, oh, one more stretch, one more of this, one more of that. I just kind of get into it. I'm there. I'm more intimidated by the classes because then I look around, I'm like, oh, look how good they're doing. And I'm just not even close.

Chris Brown [00:13:09]:

I like the classes because you can kind of hide in the back and watch everyone else to get the motions. The ones that really intimidate me are the dancing classes because I'm always afraid I'm going to go the wrong direction and crash into someone right or fall or something. Yeah, I'm not too worried about falling, although maybe I should be. I don't know.

Wendy Green [00:13:31]:

Trip over your so you Becoming Ellie is also to make this whole fit and strong lifestyle more fun?

Chris Brown [00:13:41]:


Wendy Green [00:13:43]:

How do you make exercise and eating right fun?

Chris Brown [00:13:49]:

Well, part of it is having a support system, a support group. Jill mentioned something about when she went to Weight Watchers, the meetings, and I found the meetings to be very motivational too. But once you hit your goal, it's not really much for maintenance. So, you know, we've formed becoming Ellie. We have a private Facebook group and that's really where we encourage and support each know, with different ideas, know, everybody's trying to challenge themselves from wherever they are to get to fitness and healthy lifestyles. So we encourage each other and it is fun.

Wendy Green [00:14:30]:

What do you say, Jill?

Jill McCauslin [00:14:32]:

I would agree with that. We've done things like we had the Veggie challenge a couple of years ago, which all right, that doesn't maybe sound all that much fun, but I found myself going to the grocery store. I was actually taking pictures of vegetables because the challenge was to find either a new vegetable, have something that you had never had before, or a new recipe, find a new way of preparing something that you already eat. And so I found these amazing radishes I had never seen before. And I'm standing in the grocery store taking pictures and posting them online. Like, look at these radishes. It's fun to have people to support you and.

Chris Brown [00:15:18]:

Learn new things.

Jill McCauslin [00:15:19]:

Learn new things. And I guess the other part of that is I like to sign up for when I was for running. I like to sign up for a race because to do a Five K is usually a lot of fun, especially in a way if you're in the back, because there's no pressure on you to be fast.

Chris Brown [00:15:42]:

It's definitely party in the back on this. They're fun.

Jill McCauslin [00:15:46]:

But it also is a motivator to get out the door and train because you've signed up for something and there's something about paying your $25 that just is a motivational thing.

Wendy Green [00:15:59]:

Okay, so I have to challenge you on running because I have never liked running. Even as a kid when we had to run in school and I couldn't breathe, and then I would get shin splints. How do you possibly learn to run in a way that doesn't hurt and is fun?

Chris Brown [00:16:19]:


Jill McCauslin [00:16:21]:

Well, I did not run ever in my life until I decided that I was trying to lose weight, get healthy. And I did a couch to five K program and I never wanted anyone to see me. So I would go out at 10:00 at night and run in my neighborhood in the dark so that the neighbors were all in bed.

Wendy Green [00:16:52]:

Oh, my gosh.

Jill McCauslin [00:16:54]:

It took me a long time before I would run in the daytime in public. That maybe doesn't sound fun, and it probably really wasn't in a way, but it was actually very satisfying to accomplish it. I think that was run. Every time I start off running, I think, why am I doing this? I hate this. This is hard. You're right. I can't breathe. But if you keep going there was someone on the Becoming Ellie group who said the first mile of any run is the worst.

Chris Brown [00:17:36]:

It's the first eight minutes. It takes me a lot longer than eight minutes.

Jill McCauslin [00:17:44]:

I do think it's worth trying. And if you really dislike running, that's okay. The important thing is to find what you do like to do. And so you could give running a try, but if you don't want to, then maybe take up cycling or go to your there's a spin class at the gym or something. Or swimming. Yeah. There is probably nothing that, if you aren't exercising, that is going to be fun when you start it, but you have to sort of commit to just doing it for a while. And even if it's yoga, the first yoga class you go to, you feel like you have two left feet and everyone else knows what they're doing and everyone's standing on 1ft and I'm falling over.

Jill McCauslin [00:18:38]:

Anything you do, you have to do at least a few times to give it a try.

Wendy Green [00:18:43]:

Yeah, that's a good point. So this counts to five K, helps you kind of learn the technique.

Jill McCauslin [00:18:50]:

Yeah. So you start with it'll, say, run for 30 seconds and now walk for two minutes, and it works you through increasing your running ability. The other thing was, mine was a nine week program, but when I first was doing it, I would start the next week and it would be too challenging for me. So my nine week program probably took me double the time because I would often repeat a week just to build up.

Wendy Green [00:19:26]:

But you stuck with it.

Jill McCauslin [00:19:28]:

I did, yeah.

Chris Brown [00:19:29]:

I think it's sort of like most things, they're not designed for women over 50. It's designed for the 30 year old guy. So many things that we hear about for exercise, it is designed for a young man in the most part. So I think taking a little more time and being very gentle with yourself is a very important point.

Wendy Green [00:19:52]:

Yeah, that is a good point. Thank you, Chris. That takes some of the guilt out or the disappointment out of feeling like we're not good enough or able to do it. Yeah. So you guys did not know each other when you both started on this journey, right?

Chris Brown [00:20:10]:

I knew of Jill because we lived in the same town and we both owned our own business, so I knew her as an entrepreneur, but we didn't know each other. It wasn't until we rented shared workspace in an office and that we just casually were talking about things that we got to know a little bit more about each other.

Jill McCauslin [00:20:32]:

And we had both sort of started the running. And so we decided well, in fact, we decided we were going to sign up for a five K together. And then it turned out it was 5 miles, which is 2 miles longer than a five K. And we sort of looked at each other and said, I have never run that far. And Chris said, I haven't either. But then we decided, well, OK, we'll give it a try. And we did it. And it was a lot of fun.

Jill McCauslin [00:21:02]:

That was a Christmas one, and we had to wear ugly sweater and I.

Chris Brown [00:21:07]:

Must say, Jill won. We both were finalists that Jill won the best sweater.

Jill McCauslin [00:21:12]:

Oh, yeah.

Wendy Green [00:21:13]:

Congratulations, Jill. It was so from that, where did you finally decide that you guys wanted to do a podcast or a blog? How did that happen?

Chris Brown [00:21:27]:

Go ahead, Jill. You tell.

Jill McCauslin [00:21:28]:

Well, so we had been doing things together, running wise and fitness wise. Plus, we worked in the same office area, and we would talk about things, but we would go out often and just go for a walk or whatever. And we did that one day, and one of us said, I've been thinking about starting this community for women like we are, because I don't remember which one of us said it first, but the other one said, oh, I've been thinking the same thing. And we decided it would be a lot easier to do it together than to do it separately. And that was definitely true. We've been doing this for a long time now. How many years, Chris? Six.

Chris Brown [00:22:13]:

Well, we launched the website in 2017. We've been doing a lot of things together even before that. But it was difficult to find any place that would really support women over 50 trying to maintain a weight loss and get healthy and fit and strong. So we thought that would be kind of a cool thing. And there are lots of women that are in that situation that we found through our podcasts and our blog, our private group, and our social media.

Wendy Green [00:22:49]:

Yeah. So you kind of created something that you wished had been there for you.

Jill McCauslin [00:22:55]:

We could not find it. So there are other podcasts and websites now that are in the same area, but we at the time could not find anything, so we just started our own.

Wendy Green [00:23:11]:

And so what have you enjoyed about having this Becoming Ellie community and the Fit and Strong podcast?

Chris Brown [00:23:20]:

Well, for me, it's meeting all these amazing women, whether it's an expert in exercise or nutrition or, you know, someone who has done some really amazing, know, interviewing our guests has probably been one of the funnest parts of doing the whole Becoming La community. But also the women that just like us that are working to be fit and strong and 65, 66 years old, all of a sudden they realize, wow, I want to be stronger as I age because there's so many benefits to it.

Wendy Green [00:23:59]:

Yeah, I think you got to find your why, right? So why become fit and strong? And certainly it helps us live a better life longer so that we don't just get old. I love what Wendy Battle said. She loves the community building from running. I think the community that you've built with Becoming Ellie and the community that you're building with the fit and strong women over 50, it's good to feel like you're part of something.

Jill McCauslin [00:24:37]:

Yes. And everyone says now that women need to I mean, you need cardio, you need that exercise, but you also need the strength training or resistance training to help keep your muscles so you don't lose your muscles, keep your bones healthy, that kind of thing. And for many of us, we did not do that when we were young. In fact, women were discouraged from lifting weights for many years. So it's something that many of us struggle with or we feel inadequate about, and it's a good way to encourage each other and give each other some support and edit advice. It's perfectly okay to start off with doing sit ups or push ups or whatever, however you want to do them. You don't have to be out there deadlifting 200 pounds or whatever. Right.

Wendy Green [00:25:32]:

So part of what you're talking about, too, is nutrition. And I've heard some of your shows, and they've talked about intermittent fasting or high protein, low carb, ball, veggie, vegan, whatever. How do you decide what is the best diet for you?

Jill McCauslin [00:25:51]:

I think it's sort of what I was saying about giving something a try and then deciding if it was for you. As far as the exercise, it's the same thing with food. Whatever your goal is, is to try something, and if it's working, great, and if it's not, then tweak it or try something else. What has really become very clear in talking with all of these people is that what works for me may not work for you and may be something different for Chris. So we hear a lot of don't eat gluten, don't eat dairy, eat a lot of vegetables. Other people say, make sure you eat the meat and protein and get your eggs or whatever. It really comes down to what works and also what you like. It is silly to say I'm only going to eat foods that I don't really enjoy.

Chris Brown [00:26:53]:

If you don't enjoy it, you won't stick with it.

Jill McCauslin [00:26:55]:

Well, I was on this thing where we weren't supposed to be eating fruit for a while, and I one day thought, I live in Ohio. One thing about Ohio is we have wonderful apples in the fall, and why am I doing something that says don't eat an I? I never said I'm never eating apples again because it just didn't make sense to me. I want to enjoy them.

Wendy Green [00:27:28]:

Right. And I think that's good advice. And it's very much like you said about exercise, find what works for you. So pickleball seems to be the big thing now. Have you guys taken up pickleball?

Chris Brown [00:27:41]:

I did. I took a few lessons, and then shortly thereafter I started having a problem with my hand. Totally unrelated, so I haven't picked it back up again, but I plan to this winter as things get better for my hand. Have you tried it, Jill?

Jill McCauslin [00:27:58]:

I have. Have. I keep talking about it, and I asked one friend of mine if she wanted to take it up, and she has a depth perception problem. She said, I don't think that's a good sport. For me, flying objects coming at my face is not.

Chris Brown [00:28:16]:

You really have to find what you love, and once you find that, it's like falling off a log. You feel like a kid again. It's kind of like you're in the flow. You get to do something fun, and it's more like play rather than work. When things are work, you have to do it. But as a child, we did a lot of exercise, but it was play.

Wendy Green [00:28:37]:

It's interesting you say that, because you heard me talk about crunchy tales at the beginning. I was reading an article in this month's magazine, and it talked about the importance of play and how good it is for our mental health, our physical health, our longevity health. So if we're just drudgery, trying to force ourselves to eat right and exercise, there's got to be a sense of fun to it.

Chris Brown [00:29:08]:


Jill McCauslin [00:29:09]:

There is absolutely no reason to do something that makes you miserable. So, as I said, you have to give something a fair try, but if it isn't what you want to do, then don't do it. I mean, you have to make the commitment that I want to be healthy, and that entails doing certain things that maybe isn't as enjoyable at the moment as I think it might be, but you can still find things that bring you pleasure.

Wendy Green [00:29:43]:

So when you guys go to the gym, do you typically go together or have somebody that you meet there?

Chris Brown [00:29:50]:

We actually belong to different gyms. We like different things. I guess that's part of it, too, even though we live nearby. But it's funny, once you start going to the gym, pretty soon you know people, and they're looking for you, and you're looking for them, and you get to know them a little bit, it becomes another way of building community.

Jill McCauslin [00:30:13]:

Yeah. It's amazing how many women I talk to in the locker room. I was having a conversation, and this woman said to me, I really admire you. And I said, well, I really admire you.

Wendy Green [00:30:28]:

That's nice.

Jill McCauslin [00:30:29]:


Wendy Green [00:30:31]:

There's a woman that I've recently met at the gym that has totally inspired me, because she is walking with a cane. She has a brace on her leg. She's really working on just becoming mobile again.

Jill McCauslin [00:30:46]:


Wendy Green [00:30:47]:

And she's there every day on the bike where you move also well, it's the bike.

Chris Brown [00:30:54]:

Bicycle. Okay.

Wendy Green [00:30:55]:

Yeah. Where you also move your arms. And she's determined. And I was like, wow, just to even get up and out of the house when you're struggling like that is so inspiring. Absolutely. So when you guys started this, were you feeling as knowledgeable, or have you learned a lot from your guests?

Jill McCauslin [00:31:23]:

Oh, I have learned so much. And just like saying about the woman at your gym who you admire, you talk to people who are dealing with so many issues or things, and they are just doing incredible. Doing incredible things. So I've learned so much from people.

Chris Brown [00:31:48]:

One of the things that I've learned is to not try to do everything at once. You'll get really inspired to make these goals and try to get them all done. And I find that I just go from zero to zero to 60 to nothing, where baby steps for me. I've discovered that about myself and talking to different people. That's one of the things that a lot of them say is just make a few changes at once and then a few more and find out what you like and then try to adapt that and make some more changes. Every time you build a habit and start to do more, you feel a little bit stronger, a little bit fitter.

Wendy Green [00:32:28]:

Yeah. I think that kind of mirrors what Wendy said here. Start from where you don't don't try and be a hero. Right from the beginning, Heidi had a question. She asks if Becoming Ellie is a co ed community or is it just for women?

Jill McCauslin [00:32:47]:

No, it is just mean. There are a few men who listen to the podcast, but our Becoming Ellie Facebook group is only women.

Wendy Green [00:32:59]:


Chris Brown [00:32:59]:


Wendy Green [00:33:01]:

So tell me about some of your favorite guests that you've had on your show over the years.

Jill McCauslin [00:33:07]:

Well, I can think of a couple. We talked to Ginny McCall not that long ago. I think of in June because she is 70, 72, something like that. And she is an American ninja warrior. She was on TV last summer competing in the American ninja warriors thing. When you see pictures of her, if you do see ever watch Ninja Warriors? They have incredible upper body strength. And for a woman, it was just so impressive to me. It was like, wow, I would love to be like that.

Jill McCauslin [00:33:50]:

Not only do I want to be like Ellie, I want to be like Ginny.

Chris Brown [00:33:53]:

And she didn't really get serious about it until how old was she when she really 60?

Jill McCauslin [00:33:58]:

She did her first pull up when she was 65 or something.

Chris Brown [00:34:01]:


Wendy Green [00:34:02]:


Chris Brown [00:34:03]:

She's very inspirational.

Jill McCauslin [00:34:05]:


Wendy Green [00:34:07]:

Did you have a favorite, Chris?

Chris Brown [00:34:09]:

Oh, yeah. Every time we do another guest, I think, oh, this one's my favorite. Oh, wait, I know now this is my favorite, but I think my favorite as a group are the people who do adventurous things. I live a little bit vicariously that way. And there's a woman that jumps into my mind named Tracy Lynn Martin, and she kayaks all over the place. She did the Great Lakes she kayak solo and stays in her kayak camps in her kayak.

Jill McCauslin [00:34:40]:

She did the whole Mississippi River from the source to the.

Chris Brown [00:34:46]:

She kayaks up in Alaska. She's a nurse, and so she'll go to the location, work there for a while, and then kayak all over. Just an amazing very fit, very strong. But she's got a whole different take on things, people like that. I forget how. Old she is, but over 50 for sure. And it gives you a whole nother sense of what's possible.

Wendy Green [00:35:15]:

That's one of the things I love about these shows is to be inspired by people like you, be inspired by the guests like Wendy Battles who's been commenting, know, you just meet people that you're wow, that's there's so many possibilities for us to take advantage of and to enjoy what's today and what's tomorrow.

Chris Brown [00:35:39]:


Wendy Green [00:35:41]:

Yeah. So if you could leave one or two tips for people that want to stay active, that want to continue living an exciting, vibrant next chapter, what would be your tips for them?

Chris Brown [00:36:01]:

I would say jump in where you are. A lot of people feel intimidated to go to the gym because they're not fit yet. And that could be just jump in where you are and try to do baby steps a little bit more each time. Whether it's exercise or from a healthy eating standpoint, if you just decide, I'm going to slowly give up the processed foods and slowly go on to the healthy foods, I mean, most people know what they need to do. It's just trying to start that habit and improve along the way.

Jill McCauslin [00:36:34]:

So I think finding ways to support yourself so maybe it's finding a friend to go for a walk with, or even if you have a friend who doesn't want to do it, if you have a friend who at least would give you a sympathetic ear, that helps. And doing things that actually make a commitment for you. So like me saying, I signed up for a class, so therefore I go. Or if you're paying a trainer, you're going to go.

Chris Brown [00:37:10]:

Because that's not cheap financial commitment.

Jill McCauslin [00:37:13]:

Yeah, that financial commitment is a big one. But you have to figure out what motivates you because no matter what you want to do, the day will come when you're tired and don't feel like doing it. So there has to be something beyond just relying on that motivation. Because let's be honest, you're not always motivated to do what you want to be doing or should be doing or whatever. So finding things to help support you in those decisions is what helps. So if you're eating, like both, whether you join Weight Watchers or noom or something else, or you just have friends that you share your food journey with, anything that would help give you some emotional support.

Wendy Green [00:38:03]:

So what I'm hearing is baby steps. First of know, start where you are in baby steps and then have that supportive community. Whether it's a friend or becoming Ellie is a supportive community. Let me show people where they can find you. So the website is becoming Ellie and Ellie is So you too can become Ellie, become fit and strong. And you can hear some of these amazing stories on Jill and Chris's podcast, which is Fit Strong Women Over 50. You can find that on Apple podcasts.

Wendy Green [00:38:42]:

Spotify, Google, YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts. This has been inspiring. We've had really a lot of comments and participation, so this has been great. Thank you guys.

Jill McCauslin [00:38:57]:

Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having us.

Wendy Green [00:39:00]:

Oh, it's so good to see you two again, too. I mean, we just had so much fun out in Denver.

Jill McCauslin [00:39:07]:

Can I share one little story about that? I mean, not about meeting, but one of the things when we first started doing, becoming Ellie, was our goal was we said we always wanted to be able to lift our suitcases. And so when we got on the plane and we both had to lift our carry on bags into the bins and we both did it, and I thought, oh, that was a long time goal.

Chris Brown [00:39:30]:

45 pounds overhead into the bin. Right.

Wendy Green [00:39:34]:

So now you need a new goal.

Jill McCauslin [00:39:36]:


Chris Brown [00:39:38]:

Well, that's one of.

Wendy Green [00:39:42]:

Sure. And like I said, we had so many comments. I love seeing the comments that people make while they're listening to the show and watching live and also when they listen on podcasts. I also wanted to thank Rhonda for supporting the work I'm doing and for her comment where she said, your shows always leave me with good thoughts and ideas. And she shared that comment on the Buy Me a Coffee website that I use. So if you would like to support hey Boomer and let me know what it means to you, you can go to Heyboomer four, one, Three, which is the date of our first show. So hopefully you will continue to support the work that we're doing. Also, when you think about travel, think about Road Scholar, and you can go to Road, road Hayboomer and check out Crunchy Tales.

Wendy Green [00:40:46]:

I'm telling you, it's a great online magazine and the graphics are gorgeous, very eye catching and fun. So it's And if you do join us, you can get their free download about playfulness, which is also fun. Let's see. Next week, I'm going to be talking with futurist Bradley Sherman. So societies all over the world are getting older, as we all know, and at some point in the near future, much of the developed world will have at least 20% of their national populations over the age of 65. Bradley Sherman calls this the super age. And how this will affect every aspect of our society as well as our own.

Wendy Green [00:41:40]:

Self perceptions of aging is what we're going to talk about. So continue to embrace this time of your life with exploration, self expression, and fulfillment. Thank you, Jill and Chris, so much for being with us today.

Jill McCauslin [00:41:56]:

Oh, thank you for having us.

Chris Brown [00:41:59]:

It was a pleasure.

Wendy Green [00:42:01]:

My name is Wendy Green.

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